Is nothing sacred?

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn) 07/13/2018 at 11:35 • Filed to: wingspan, Planelopnik

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Apparently not. According to Axios, President Trump wants to ditch the gorgeous and iconic Raymond Loewy livery on the new Air Force One and replace it with something that “looks more American,” perhaps with more of our trademark red white and blue, but more importantly isn’t a “Jackie Kennedy color.”

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Loewy’s design has been on Air Force One, and other US government VIP aircraft, since the 1960s. It is distinctive, elegant and, above all, instantly recognizable. Before the first 707 received Loewy’s livery, earlier presidential aircraft had a brilliant orange nose. Perhaps there’s is some guidance to be found there? Maybe just put the orange on the top?

Anyway, I thought Oppo’s Photoshop geniuses could come up with some sort of appropriate MURICA livery for Trump’s new plane, which he may well never fly in. The next AF1 won’t be delivered until at least 2021.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 11:33

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For Sweden > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 11:36

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But there can only be one good red, white, and blue livery

Well, maybe two

E90M3 > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 11:37

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Personally, I like the new look of Air Force 1. 

ttyymmnn > For Sweden 07/13/2018 at 11:37

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Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 11:37

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Better throw some #branding on there. “The President of The United States, brought to you by WALMART. Landing Gear sponsor Goodyear.”

Turn that plane into some full on NASCAR livery. 

For Sweden > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 11:39

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A Russian carrier flying an A irbus is an affront to nature

benjrblant > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 11:40

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Raymond Loewy was such a fantastic industrial designer. He really did so many incredible things in his lifetime. To repaint AF1 would be a shame.

ttyymmnn > For Sweden 07/13/2018 at 11:41

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Don’t forget, there was actually talk of this:

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 11:41

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Wait did he really call it a Jackie Kennedy color or is that someone else's likening? What's wrong with Jackie O. She was a fox

That Bastard Kurtis - An Attempt to Standardize My Username Across Platforms > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 11:41

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ttyymmnn > That Bastard Kurtis - An Attempt to Standardize My Username Across Platforms 07/13/2018 at 11:42

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H orrible and garish. It’s perfect.

For Sweden > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 11:42

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Absolutely barbaric

ttyymmnn > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 07/13/2018 at 11:43

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She was also a Democrat. Of course, it was Ben Franklin who said, “In the dark, all cats are gray.”

Urambo Tauro > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 11:43

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BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 11:44

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I dunno, it could look ridiculous, or it could look good. BMW added red to the R1100S Boxer Cup, and it helped. Pre-2005 were just blue and white, like the BMW roundel. 2005 Boxer Cup replicas added red from the BMW Motorsport triple stripe

A bit of history: the purple in the motorsport triple stripe, is the combination of the blue from Bavaria’s provincial flag , where the blue and white grid pattern comes from , and Texaco red, a long-time BMW motorsports sponsor.

Although the BMW Motorrad Lupin B lue is darker than the Bavarian flag blue

Meanwhile, back on the topic...

Using red white and blue from the American flag, on Air Force One... is not that far fetched an idea... but people are going to jump on it because of who proposed it.

What really matters is the design, and whether it is dignified enough for the importance of the office of the President of the United States.

Spanfeller is a twat > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 11:49

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I thought he was againts spending money on bullshit like paintjobs and new airplanes. Keep the current design; graphic designers can stay in the reams of Tumblr for another day.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 11:52

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Can you get more A merican than this?

Bo Knows > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 12:00

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I have no way of really tying this in but here it is anyway

RallyWrench > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 12:01

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I think that of all people, Trump should not be allowed anywhere near this , and agree that the current traditional colors are elegant, appropriately understated, timeless, and not in need of change, but...   a 747 would look neat in a Thunderbird livery.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 12:03

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If Trump has anything to do with the design, I’m guessing it will end up being something cheesy like this:

nermal > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 12:11

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Shark teeth and red nose or GTFO.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 07/13/2018 at 12:20

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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 12:22

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Too grim to contemplate.

InFierority Complex > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 12:25

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What would even be the process of redesigning the paint scheme? I would the assume the Air Force would be in charge of that, no?

InFierority Complex > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 12:25

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What would even be the process of redesigning the paint scheme? I would the assume the Air Force would be in charge of that, no?

Chariotoflove > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 12:28

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I dunno, there’s nothing sacred about an airplane’s livery.  I like the current scheme, but change could be good too.  I’d be interested to see what they come up with.

TorqueToYield > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 12:29

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Yall know whats coming

Or Maybe:

I lack the photoshop skills to put these on an airplane, but you get the idea.

fintail > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 12:32

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So which crony with ties to questionable groups and/or no real world cred  will get this gig?  Given someone’s interior decorating choices, it’s hard to be optimistic about this.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 12:34

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I dont see where it's coming from. AF1 is pretty American. Maybe he wants the livery more in line with the fox news graphics. 

ttyymmnn > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 07/13/2018 at 12:40

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Using red white and blue from the American flag, on Air Force One... is not that far fetched an idea... but people are going to jump on it because of who proposed it.

What really matters is the design, and whether it is dignified enough for the importance of the office of the President of the United States.

Agreed.

ttyymmnn > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 07/13/2018 at 12:41

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Jus take the N off of it.

ttyymmnn > InFierority Complex 07/13/2018 at 12:45

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The Air Force will certainly have a say in it.

ttyymmnn > Chariotoflove 07/13/2018 at 12:46

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Well, you know me and airplanes and history. That airplane and its livery have become symbolic of our nation and our president. I think you leave it alone.

ttyymmnn > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 07/13/2018 at 12:47

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He just has to undo absolutely everything that was ever done by people not named Donald Trump.

Chariotoflove > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 12:58

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I’m more of the if it ain’t broke don’t fix it mindset. So I’d leave it alone too. However, my kind of attitude would have resulted in not even bothering to come up with the current livery. I can see how a certain amount of marketing to project an image of the US would lead to hiring Lower to design the plane, and it worked as intended.

But, I can also see an argument for a new design for the same reasons. What’s iconic to some may to modern eyes look staid and old-fashioned . So, I’m trying to keep an open mind. All the low-hanging jokes aside, I’m not worried about getting something garish and undignified.

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 13:00

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Needs a WALL graphic on the fuselage belly.

ttyymmnn > Chariotoflove 07/13/2018 at 13:01

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I’m not worried about getting something garish and undignified.

Neither am I, but Xanax is a hell of a drug.

Chariotoflove > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 13:05

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That Bastard Kurtis - An Attempt to Standardize My Username Across Platforms > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 13:31

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Its parked right up the road from me year round...there’s actually two of them, but the second one (at least last time I saw it) didn’t have the Patriots lettering on it, so Bob Kraft could just give it directly to the President as is.

AuthiCooper1300 > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 14:00

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Well, Kinja is doing its thing now and I cannot reply to individual comments or scroll down the whole list, so apologies if this has been mentioned already.

Regarding Mr Trump’s comment on “a Jackie Kennedy colour”... strangely enough, the archetypal image I have in my head of Jackie is dressed with a powder blue wool suit with hat to match. Which is weird because a) I did not grow up in the States b) JFK was killed a little before I was born.

On the other hand my family kept a sizable collection of magazines from the 60s. I must have “acquired” that image in my mind later in the 70s.

Now, in case you won’t believe how strong the connection w a s between the blue colour and Jackie...

http://dollsmadamealexander.com/madame-alexander-1963-hard-plastic-jacqueline-kennedy-doll-894-jackie-cissette.htm

ttyymmnn > AuthiCooper1300 07/13/2018 at 14:08

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There are many memorable photos from that day in November. Jackie wore that pink bloodstained dress for many hours that day. She was wearing it when LBJ was sworn in on SAM 26000.

AuthiCooper1300 > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 14:16

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R e : p i c t u r e o f L B J b e i n g s w o r n i n :

( Well, it seems I cannot star comments either!)

I a l w a y s t h o u g h t w e a r i n g t h a t d r e s s a f t e r w a r d showed an extr a o r d i n a r y m i x o f f o r t i t u d e a n d defiance on her part.

ttyymmnn > AuthiCooper1300 07/13/2018 at 14:17

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That, and it was such a crazy whirlwind day that she never had time to change. She might not even have had a change of clothes. 

AuthiCooper1300 > ttyymmnn 07/13/2018 at 15:07

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She might not even have had a change of clothes.

I respectfully disagree. Even if she did not have any (unlikely) a member of her entourage could have done some errands and purchase clothes.

I’d say she wanted to stay that way. In that respect she really acted like a queen (and I mean it in the literal sense).

JFK’s assassination is fast becoming just a pop culture stereotype, mostly associated with the conspiracy theory / u r b a n l e g e n d s phenomen a .

A n d y e t - t h e e n o r m i t y o f i t a l l .

Future next gen S2000 owner > ttyymmnn 07/20/2018 at 14:35

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Meh, I think it could be updated. I think there is nothing wrong with it but I’m not attached to it. It is possible to update it while maintaining an elegant, classy, timeless look but probably not if Trump has to approve it.